Bad Ram Slot Fix
Assuming the other slots recognize RAM ok, and assuming the RAM that you are trying to insert in the bad RAM slot works fine in other slots, then the problem is with the motherboard or the RAM slot. If it’s the motherboard, there is nothing the average person can do on any modern motherboard. It is best just to get a new motherboard. To check the new RAM wasn't defective, I tried it in slot 1, a known good slot. All 4 sticks of RAM worked in slot 1, so the RAM wasn't faulty. All 4 sticks work in every slot except slot 2 (the first black RAM slot). If I put any stick in slot 2 - old or new - the PC is dead, it won't even boot to the BIOS. Most likely different voltages will cause the issue. Check if memory is 1.5V (standard) and not higher. You can't have 1.5V working next to a 1.65V memory set, for example. If MHZ or CL timing is different between them, the motherboard attempts to default to the slowest speed too. 3) You have a damaged motherboard RAM slot. The worst 'defect' I've run into in a RAM slot was a couple of dust bunnies making contact marginal and resulting in obscure memory errors. Even if I could solder, I don't think I'd ever contemplate a repair on something as complicated as the RAM slot by anyone other than the ODM.
Is it possible to fix laptop memory slot failure with a guitar pick? Yes, it is. You will not fix the memory slot itself, but you can work around the problem. 🙂
Today I received a Toshiba Satellite Pro 4600 laptop with the following complaint:
The laptop starts and works properly, but recognizes only one of the two memory modules installed. The laptop has two 256MB RAM modules installed, but registers only 256MB.
Oct 05, 2014 Today, I doubled the RAM in my Gateway NV57h. And it didn’t cost me a dime. Well not today, anyway. TL;DR: The RAM wasn’t seated properly. Like for a long time. And I’m a geek who should know better. Try reseating your RAM. I’ve had this machine for almost 3 years (in itself a record, Continue reading 'The Fix to My Laptop’s Dead RAM Slot'.
First of all, I removed the memory cover to find out if both memory modules are installed correctly. The laptop had two 256MB Kingston modules installed and they were seated properly.
When I started the laptop and entered the BIOS setup menu, I found that only one of the two memory modules is detected and the laptop registers only 256MB (262144KB) of RAM instead of 512MB (524288KB).
Just a side note. In the computer world 1MB=1024KB. That’s why 256MB=262144KB and 512MB=524288KB.
I tried reseating both memory modules but it didn’t help.
After that I tried installing both memory modules in both memory slots one by one and here’s what I found. The laptop worked absolutely fine when both memory modules were installed into the slot A, but failed to boot with both memory modules installed into the slot B.
Apparently, there is nothing wrong with the memory modules and the laptop has a faulty memory slot B. The memory slot is permanently soldered on the motherboard. If one of the slots fails you’ll have to replace the whole motherboard or use the laptop with only one working slot.
Buying a new motherboard for this older laptop wouldn’t make any sense because it’s too expensive, but the laptop is still in a good working condition except the faulty memory slot B, so I continued playing with that trying to find the solution.
I noticed that the laptop start normally with the memory module installed into the faulty slot if I slightly press on the module with my thumb. And this gave me an idea.
This guitar pick is going to fix my laptop. 🙂
I installed both RAM modules back into the slots and then placed the guitar pick over the module in the slot B as it shown on the picture.
I thought if I close the RAM door it will press on the guitar pick/memory module and it will have the same effect as pressing on the module with my thumb. And it worked!
Both memory modules were detected properly and the laptop registered all 512MB. After “the fix” I tested memory with Memtest86+ and the laptop passed the test.
I wouldn’t call it the best solution for fixing a faulty memory slot but in some cases it will work.
By the way, I didn’t charge the customer for this “repair”, he knows what is going on and how I “fixed” his problem.
Troubleshooting Memory Errors
MemTest86 detected errors in my memory. Is there something wrong with my RAM?
Please be aware that not all errors reported by MemTest86 are due to bad memory. The test implicitly tests the CPU, L1 and L2 caches as well as the motherboard. It is impossible for the test to determine what causes the failure to occur. However, most failures will be due to a problem with memory module. When it is not, the only option is to replace parts until the failure is corrected.
Sometimes memory errors show up due to component incompatibility. A memory module may work fine in one system and not in another. This is not uncommon and is a source of confusion. In these situations the components are not necessarily bad but have marginal conditions that when combined with other components will cause errors.
Often the memory works in a different system or the vendor insists that it is good. In these cases the memory is not necessarily bad but is not able to operate reliably at full speed. Sometimes more conservative memory timings on the motherboard will correct these errors. In other cases the only option is to replace the memory with better quality, higher speed memory. Don't buy cheap memory and expect it to work reliably. On occasion 'block move' test errors will occur even with name brand memory and a quality motherboard. These errors are legitimate and should be corrected.
All valid memory errors should be corrected. It is possible that a particular error will never show up in normal operation. However, operating with marginal memory is risky and can result in data loss and even disk corruption. Even if there is no overt indication of problems you cannot assume that your system is unaffected. Sometimes intermittent errors can cause problems that do not show up for a long time. You can be sure that Murphy will get you if you know about a memory error and ignore it.
We are often asked about the reliability of errors reported by MemTest86. In the vast majority of cases errors reported by the test are valid. There are some systems that cause MemTest86 to be confused about the size of memory and it will try to test non-existent memory. This will cause a large number of consecutive addresses to be reported as bad and generally there will be many bits in error. If you have a relatively small number of failing addresses and only one or two bits in error you can be certain that the errors are valid. Also intermittent errors are without exception valid. Frequently memory vendors question if MemTest86 supports their particular memory type or a chipset. MemTest86 is designed to work with all memory types and all chipsets.
MemTest86 cannot diagnose many types of PC failures. For example a faulty CPU that causes Windows to crash will most likely just cause MemTest86 to crash in the same way.
Why am I only getting errors during Test 13 Hammer Test?
The Hammer Test is designed to detect RAM modules that are susceptible to disturbance errors caused by charge leakage. This phenomenon is characterized in the research paper Flipping Bits in Memory Without Accessing Them: An Experimental Study of DRAM Disturbance Errors by Yoongu Kim et al. According to the research, a significant number of RAM modules manufactured 2010 or newer are affected by this defect. In simple terms, susceptible RAM modules can be subjected to disturbance errors when repeatedly accessing addresses in the same memory bank but different rows in a short period of time. Errors occur when the repeated access causes charge loss in a memory cell, before the cell contents can be refreshed at the next DRAM refresh interval.
Starting from MemTest86 v6.2, the user may see a warning indicating that the RAM may be vulnerable to high frequency row hammer bit flips. This warning appears when errors are detected during the first pass (maximum hammer rate) but no errors are detected during the second pass (lower hammer rate). See MemTest86 Test Algorithms for a description of the two passes that are performed during the Hammer Test (Test 13). When performing the second pass, address pairs are hammered only at the rate deemed as the maximum allowable by memory vendors (200K accesses per 64ms). Once this rate is exceeded, the integrity of memory contents may no longer be guaranteed. If errors are detected in both passes, errors are reported as normal.
The errors detected during Test 13, albeit exposed only in extreme memory access cases, are most certainly real errors. During typical home PC usage (eg. web browsing, word processing, etc.), it is less likely that the memory usage pattern will fall into the extreme case that make it vulnerable to disturbance errors. It may be of greater concern if you were running highly sensitive equipment such as medical equipment, aircraft control systems, or bank database servers. It is impossible to predict with any accuracy if these errors will occur in real life applications. One would need to do a major scientific study of 1000 of computers and their usage patterns, then do a forensic analysis of each application to study how it makes use of the RAM while it executes. To date, we have only seen 1-bit errors as a result of running the Hammer Test.
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There are several actions that can be taken when you discover that your RAM modules are vulnerable to disturbance errors:
- Do nothing
- Replace the RAM modules
- Use RAM modules with error-checking capabilities (eg. ECC)
Depending on your willingness to live with the possibility of these errors manifesting itself as real problems, you may choose to do nothing and accept the risk. For home use you may be willing to live with the errors. In our experience, we have several machines that have been stable for home/office use despite experiencing errors in the Hammer Test.
You may also choose to replace the RAM with modules that have been known to pass the Hammer Test. Choose RAM modules of different brand/model as it is likely that the RAM modules with the same model would still fail the Hammer test.
For sensitive equipment requiring high availability/reliability, you would replace the RAM without question and would probably switch to RAM with error correction such as ECC RAM. Even a 1-bit error can result in catastrophic consequences for say, a bank account balance. Note that not all motherboards support ECC memory, so consult the motherboard specifications before purchasing ECC RAM.
Detection and mitigation of row hammer errors
The ability of MemTest86 to detect and report on row hammer errors depends on several factors and what mitigations are in place. To generate errors adjacent memory rows must be repeatedly accessed. But hardware features such as multiple channels, interleaving, scrambling, Channel Hashing, NUMA & XOR schemes make it nearly impossible (for an arbitrary CPU & RAM stick) to know which memory addresses correspond to which rows in the RAM. Various mitigations might also be in place. Different BIOS firmware might set the refresh interval to different values (tREFI). The shorter the interval the more resistant the RAM will be to errors. But shorter intervals result in higher power consumption and increased processing overhead. Some CPUs also support pseudo target row refresh (pTRR) that can be used in combination with pTRR-compliant RAM. This field allows the RAM stick to indicate the MAC (Maximum Active Count) level which is the RAM can support. A typical value might be 200,000 row activations. Some CPUs also support the Joint Electron Design Engineering Council (JEDEC) Targeted Row Refresh (TRR) algorithm. The TRR is an improved version of the previously implemented pTRR algorithm and does not inflict any performance drop or additional power usage. As a result the row hammer test implemented in MemTest86 maybe not be the worst case possible and vulnerabilities in the underlying RAM might be undetectable due to the mitigations in place in the BIOS and CPU.
Why do I get errors only when testing RAM modules together, and not when individually tested?
Most memory systems nowadays operate in multiple channel mode in order to increase the transfer rate between the RAM modules and the memory controller. It is recommended that modules with identical specifications (ie. 'matching modules') when running in multi-channel mode. Some motherboards also have compatibility issues with certain brand/models of RAM when running in multi-channel mode.
When you see errors while running MemTest86 with multiple RAM modules installed, but not when they are tested individually, it is likely that the multi-channel configuration is the culprit. This could be due to mismatched RAM specifications, or simply using brands/models of RAM that is incompatible with the motherboard. Most motherboard vendors release a list of known compatible RAM models that have been tested to work with your motherboard. Replace the modules with a matching set of known good ones and see if you get better results.
MemTest86 reported the memory address of the failure. What does this mean?
When MemTest86 detects errors during the memory tests, the memory address, actual and expected data are reported to the user. The memory address is the location in system memory where the data contained does not match what was expected. This is the address that is specified by the CPU to the memory controller when requesting data from DRAM. The memory controller then decodes this memory address to identify the specific channel, DIMM, rank, DRAM chip, bank, row and column in DRAM using a chipset-specific address decoding scheme.
The address decoding scheme is the process used by the memory controller to generate the appropriate address signals to the DRAM chip. Depending on the memory controller, this process can get fairly complex as it is not simply a a direct mapping of the system address bits to the DRAM address bits. In order to increase the memory performance, strategies such as channel interleaving (for Dual, Tri and Quad channel setups), rank/bank/row interleaving, and address swizzling are used to increase the concurrency of memory accesses. For some chipsets such as AMD, the address decoding scheme can be configured/determined via PCI registers as described in the chipset specifications. For other chipsets (eg. Intel), however, the address decoding scheme is proprietary and not made available to the public. This makes identifying the DRAM address and correspondingly, the failing module, much more difficult. For that reason, MemTest86 does not have the capability to report the DRAM addresses and thus, the failing DIMM, of memory errors.
How does MemTest86 report ECC errors?
If ECC detection and correction is enabled on the system, MemTest86 is able to report any detected ECC errors to the user. Depending on the chipset that is used, the reported address of the ECC error may either be the system memory address (eg. 0x93801200) or the DRAM rank/bank/row/column address (eg. 0x3E0, 0x5F6D, 0x2, 0x2). This is entirely dependant on the chipset that is used and how the hardware reports the ECC error details to the system; Ie. MemTest86 does not have the capability to interchange between displaying the system address or the DRAM address.
If I know the address decoding scheme, can I configure MemTest86 to report the failing module?
For systems where the address decoding scheme is known, MemTest86 provides several configuration file parameters to aid users in determining the faulty module that corresponds to the memory address:
For each of these 3 parameters, a list of bit positions can be used to specify which address bits of a memory address to exclusive-or (XOR) in order to determine the corresponding [memory channel slot chip select (CS)] (0 or 1) of the failing module. This is only useful if you know that the memory controller maps a particular address to a [memory channel slot chip select (CS)] using this XOR-based decoding scheme. If these parameters are specified and MemTest86 detects a memory error, the [memory channel slot chip select (CS)] will be calculated and displayed along with the faulting address.
How do I know which RAM module is failing?
Once a memory error has been detected, determining the failing SIMM/DIMM module is not a clear cut procedure. Different CPUs map memory addresses to physical memory sticks in different ways. Features like dual channel RAM (with interleaving), channel hashing and NUMA make the mapping of addresses to modules, banks & rows very difficult. With the large number of CPUs and motherboard vendors and possible combinations of memory slots it would be difficult if not impossible to assemble complete information about how a particular error would map to a failing memory module. However, there are steps that may be taken to determine the failing module. Here are some techniques that you may wish to use:
- Removing modules
This is simplest method for isolating a failing modules, but may only be employed when one or more modules can be removed from the system. By selectively removing modules from the system and then running the test you will be able to find the bad modules. Be sure to note exactly which modules are in the system when the test passes and when the test fails.
- Rotating modules
When none of the modules can be removed then you may wish to rotate modules to find the failing one. This technique can only be used if there are three or more modules in the system. Change the location of two modules at a time. For example put the module from slot 1 into slot 2 and put the module from slot 2 in slot 1. Run the test and if either the failing bit or address changes then you know that the failing module is one of the ones just moved. By using several combinations of module movement you should be able to determine which module is failing.
- Replacing modules
If you are unable to use either of the previous techniques then you are left to selective replacement of modules to find the failure.
How do I fix the memory errors?
Depending on what is causing the memory errors, you can try the following options:
- Replace the RAM modules (most common solution)
- Set default or conservative RAM timings
- Increase the RAM voltage levels
- Decrease the CPU voltage levels
- Apply BIOS update to fix incompatibility issues
- Flag the address ranges as 'bad'
Once you have determined with certainty which RAM module(s) have failed, replacing them with a new set of RAM modules usually fixes the errors. When choosing which modules to use as a replacement, consider using one that is listed as compatible by the motherboard vendor as it would have been verified by the vendor itself.
Sometimes, memory errors only manifest themselves when RAM timings are set too aggressively in the BIOS (eg. overclocking). For certain modules that support higher performance XMP timings, consider using standard, non-XMP timings to see if you get better results. Consult your motherboard manual on how to set or reset your RAM timings to default settings.
For certain configurations (especially when using aggressive RAM timings), higher voltage may be required in order to operate the RAM in stable conditions. If you are using non-standard RAM timings, slightly increasing the voltage (eg. from 1.5V to 1.55V) may increase the stability. Increase the voltage at your own risk as excessive voltage may damage the components of your system
A higher CPU voltage may cause overheating, resulting in memory errors that lead to system hangs/crashes. Check with the motherboard vendor for instructions on configuring CPU voltage levels.
In certain cases, RAM incompability issues can be fixed with a BIOS update. Check the motherboard vendor for updated BIOS with RAM compaibiliy fixes.
Bad Ram Slot Fix Drivers
Several operating systems allow the user to pass in a list of 'bad' memory ranges to prevent the operating system to use or allocate memory in that range. See Blacklisting RAM Pages for more details.
Bad Ram Slot Fix Lock
Why are ECC errors not being reported on my ASRock/AMD Ryzen system?
Bad Ram Slot Fix Tool
There is a possibility that a BIOS setting, 'Platform First Error Handling' (PFEH), is preventing ECC errors from being reported to MemTest86. If this setting is enabled, set to disabled and try running MemTest86 again.